tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post4483304185223048940..comments2024-02-24T00:37:43.087-05:00Comments on The Other McCain: Campaign Pre-Mortem, Part IIRobert Stacy McCainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03084541621503669804noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-68816824013145374862008-10-14T10:12:00.000-04:002008-10-14T10:12:00.000-04:00Hear, hear.I've usually got quibbles with you, but...Hear, hear.<BR/><BR/>I've usually got quibbles with you, but not this time.<BR/><BR/>Open borders is a loser for libertarians and conservatives. Libertarians cannot thrive in an environment that is amenable to the present illegal immigrant.Ronsonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03084095209525920755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-90101386395933593912008-10-14T09:38:00.000-04:002008-10-14T09:38:00.000-04:00smitt1e, Oh, I get what VodkaPundit is saying. It...smitt1e, <BR/><BR/>Oh, I get what VodkaPundit is saying. It's something that has driven me nuts for over eight years and what drove a lot of grass roots conservatives home for the 2006 elections: <BR/><BR/>Conservatives eat their own.<BR/><BR/>Progressives/Democrats/Evil Marxists, however... They vote en masse for their candidate <I>no matter what</I>. When was the last time you heard of a conservative writer/commenter/pundit offering to don "Presidential Kneepads" to get a favored policy from their leader in the White House? No matter the faults, no matter the problems, grass roots liberals vote for their guy or gal or it. <BR/><BR/>We don't. We don't like some of our guy's policies? We don't vote or we vote for a no-chance thirteenth party candidate. We don't like the way we were treated at our movement's convention? We endorse that no name wannabee with no idea about how to even get on all of the state ballots.<BR/><BR/>Conservatives want the perfect candidate right the hell now... And if you ain't him, screw ya!<BR/><BR/>It wasn't immigration issues that screwed us in 2006, it was the fractious inanity that would rather martyr a nation for principle than get decent people elected and then WORK on getting even better ones elected. It took over 70 years for the liberals to screw us up, but we want instant recourse.<BR/><BR/>Back to what RSM wrote here: He says that nominating Mr. Amnesty is what destroyed this election. <BR/><BR/>Nah.<BR/><BR/>McCain is simply a bad candidate -- amnesty or no amnesty. McCain should still have been an easy winner. McCain simply refuses to do what needs to be done to win.<BR/><BR/>McCain won't hammer the Democrats and Obama on the FMs (CRA = Clinton = Frank/Dodd = Obama's campaign contributions). McCain will speak of Ayers, but only vewy vewy cahfuwy... And he won't touch Wright. Has he even heard of Odinga?<BR/><BR/>And when his supporters ARE enthusiastic? Oh, No! Mr. Obama is a good family man! Let's not have that!<BR/><BR/>Ok, I gotta go puke now. Then I gotta go figure out how to squirrel away some of what I still have for my grand daughter.<BR/><BR/>Thanks loads, John.Steve in TNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990498448942991511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-87123938685043019442008-10-14T08:48:00.000-04:002008-10-14T08:48:00.000-04:00Great post, RS.The problem, I feel, with the anti-...Great post, RS.<BR/>The problem, I feel, with the anti-amnesty crowd is that it hasn't eloquently made its case. I am not down with open borders or illegal immigration, but the voices on the Right paint an ugly anti-non-white picture. When Bush did pull in that 40% hispanic vote I thought the Cons were finally making inroads with a voting block that naturally leans Republican.So your premise that immigrants are automatic Dem constituency is false if not flawed.So much of the illegal immigration focus is on the Mexican population that the plebes lose sight of the bigger problem. When you guys drop the pandering to the bumpkin crowd in your party, perhaps then will you begin to get somewhere with immigration reform....Young 4-Eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04159195318322896154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-49335811380883515822008-10-14T08:20:00.000-04:002008-10-14T08:20:00.000-04:00@SteveWhy can't we just agree that John McCain suc...@Steve<BR/><I>Why can't we just agree that John McCain sucks as a candidate.</I><BR/>Ah, but _why_?<BR/>VodkaPundit talks about the Democrats as Progressives, but JSM is an admirer of Teddy Roosevelt, the Original Progressive.<BR/>The plutocrats who own the Progressives have it all rigged at a very high level.<BR/>Flip that two-headed coin Steve, and remember: you get tails.smitty1ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06559464300318848169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-51231685456704408082008-10-14T07:54:00.000-04:002008-10-14T07:54:00.000-04:00Wait... Are you arguing FOR or AGAINST open borde...Wait... Are you arguing FOR or AGAINST open borders/amnesty/whatever?<BR/><BR/>Egads.<BR/><BR/>And also, I thought all the pundits agreed that it was GOP corruption (Mark Foley et al) that cost the 20067 elections.<BR/><BR/>I'm lost.<BR/><BR/>What the hell are you saying?<BR/><BR/>Why can't we just agree that John McCain sucks as a candidate. He can't beat a Leftist candidate who consorts with genocidal Marxist Islamists, unrepentant domestic terrorists, money men for foreign terror organizations, Communist mentors, crooked community organizations hell bent on election theft, Illinois Combine felons... And who has admitted to drug use.<BR/><BR/>This isn't about the Mexico border, it isn't about amnesty, it isn't about pipe dream libertarian wannabee policies.<BR/><BR/>This is about a candidate who refuses to engage the opposition on policy and on the opposition's faults. This is about a candidate who can't elucidate his positions on health care, the economy, energy policy, foreign wars... You name it.<BR/><BR/>John McCain is blowing this election and dragging down everyone to the right of Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov with him.Steve in TNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09990498448942991511noreply@blogger.com