tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post2977715097122367015..comments2024-02-24T00:37:43.087-05:00Comments on The Other McCain: On Jews and liberalsRobert Stacy McCainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03084541621503669804noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-23502411209710638202009-09-12T14:10:43.655-04:002009-09-12T14:10:43.655-04:00the rural youth has typically driven hundreds of m...<i>the rural youth has typically driven hundreds of miles by the time he turns 18.</i><br /><br />Gee, <i>hundreds</i> of miles. In just a few years!<br /><br />No city boy could ever match that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-87277520871141133502009-09-11T13:11:20.336-04:002009-09-11T13:11:20.336-04:00The ability by the left to bamboozle the jews into...The ability by the left to bamboozle the jews into scorning the GOP and conservatism because it's the natural home of the religious right, in spite of its overwhelming support for Israel, decisively puts paid to the argument of jewish intellectual superiority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-4268715947403100482009-09-11T12:11:41.860-04:002009-09-11T12:11:41.860-04:00As a Jew in America I am always the outsider. The...As a Jew in America I am always the outsider. The Conservative movement seems to define itself at least partially by attacking the outsider.<br /><br />This is a primary reason why I could not vote for Mccain, when he refered to Obama as "that one" and other childish swipes it made it very clear to me which side I am on. John Mccain and the GOP constantly practise the politics of defining their opponent as different, unamerican,... outsiders. It lost this time around but only because people were scared about the economy.<br /><br /> When the GOP picked apart Justice Sotomayor and called her an affirmative action appointee just because she's not a white old man I instantly identify with her as I would expect any Jew to identify with the target of a racial slur.<br /><br />This is the primary reason why I cannot vote for anyone in teh current Republican party, and please keep in mind I voted for Reagen. Reagen unified this country. Every major conservative politician since has embraced the Nixonian policy of dividing this country between "real Americans" and outsiders. I would expect any Jew that is a real student of history to identify with the outsider.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-2186096063275664402009-09-10T17:06:51.941-04:002009-09-10T17:06:51.941-04:00I am Jewish and grew up in a rural part of Missour...I am Jewish and grew up in a rural part of Missouri. I chose to move to a more urban and liberal area as soon as I became an adult and have no intention of returning. Part of the reason I am liberal is because of how badly I was treated by my overwhelmingly conservative community growing up. If my experience is any indication, Jewish people are not especially welcome in these areas and will never be considered full members of the community. In fact, I'd guess that most Jewish people who try your countryside experiment would only see their liberalism affirmed.<br /><br />I don't think you really understand what Jewish identity is all about. Many of us care deeply about Tikkun Olam, making the world a better place. This is much more important than slight reductions in marginal tax rates for the wealthiest among us. Many of us also realize that an improved society will indirectly benefit us in ways beyond what we could provide ourselves individually. As Jewish people, we have our culture, our families, our traditions, our food, and our communities. It's not all about telling us you'll stand up for Israel, especially when we know that many of the people who say that are the ones telling Jewish people every day that they'll burn in hell. How you treat us individually tells us something about whether your concern for Israel is one of good faith.<br /><br />Jewish Americans, like any other Americans (and for that matter all people), should enjoy a high degree of self-determination. Many of us have chosen to live in urban settings and adopt a liberal point of view. This is not an accident but rather a product of our experiences, which includes a long history of forced relocation, oppression, and violence inflicted upon us. We will live where we want to live. Your suggestion that we should relocate is reprehensible.Grew Up Ruralnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-77767638340850296802009-09-10T04:22:38.575-04:002009-09-10T04:22:38.575-04:00I really think that Michael Medved nails it but th...I really think that Michael Medved nails it but the snippet posted does not do justice to his full explanation which is in the Commentary piece.<br /><br />For a non believing Jew, Jewish identity is like Canadian identity. It consists almost entirely of believing that you are not like most of the population of North America. The more similar they are to everybody else, the more they latch onto and exaggerate the differences. <br /><br />The thing is that in the United States, if you don't want to be a Jew, you don't have to be. Nobody is going to care that much about it if you don't bring it up. If you are a religiously observant Jew, that is also something that most people don't care much about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-48111388494811845132009-09-10T01:38:26.929-04:002009-09-10T01:38:26.929-04:00As yet another liberal - even Leftist - Jew, I thi...As yet another liberal - even Leftist - Jew, I think Anonymous 03:12:00 PM is the one to "nail" the issue of why most Jews are progressive. Whether religious or not, we are different to some extent from most of our neighbors (at least outside of Israel) and a minority; therefore, it only makes sense for us to think in terms of of multiculturalism and diversity. You know, basic human equality, something that the GOP makes no bones about actively opposing. Show me the Republican pundit arguing for multiculturalism and ethnic diversity for EVERYONE (not just a few chosen pet minorities, be they Jews or not) and I'll show you a unemployed conservative pundit. Ten minutes on Free Republic, the true base of the GOP, makes the case perfectly. Yes, right now Jews are a favored minority because the evil Moooslims seem worse, but that can change at any time and usually does.<br /><br />As for all this glorification of rural hillbillies and rednecks, get over it. Do you love America? If so, then it is the city people you have to thank for making it what it is. The educated, urban, grad and post-grad students that are behind virtually every American technological innovation and behind the financial infrastructure that keeps America from being like real rural countries - third world slums. You want rural? Go for Niger, Bolivia, or Cambodia. If it weren't for America's educated urban population - that is, if it were just a bunch of clueless hillbillies that can't even locate the U.S. on a map - America would be a third world slum like most rural countries. As a vile urbanite, frankly I am fed up with pretending that a bunch of idiot rednecks somehow represent some "ideal" to be reached for or people that we should admire. What nonsense. America's farmers are the largest welfare queens in the country (farm subsidies costing vastly more than all social welfare programs - excluding SSI - combined). The most radical anti-American zealots (the right-wing secessionists seeking to destroy the country by tearing it apart) are based in the country. Not even counting half the guests of Jerry Springer and the largest element of unwed mothers, divorces, and STDs (the fruits of "abstinence-only"). <br /><br />Not only should people who actually like the United States not seek to emulate the least successful elements of our society (the rural population); perhaps we should threaten to forcibly relocate them to where their fellow human beings live (mostly cities) and educate their children. I'm fed up with all this redneck worshiping crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-11884238777572175222009-09-09T16:52:08.878-04:002009-09-09T16:52:08.878-04:00A "Limousine Liberal" is Republicanese f...A "Limousine Liberal" is Republicanese for any Liberal who exposes their FILTHY HYPOCRISY by having a marginally higher standard of living than the most miserable poor people they claim to have sympathy for. <br /><br />(Republicans usually avoid this problem by regarding everyone who makes less money than them with unflinching contempt.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-24090519378027957622009-09-09T04:37:52.531-04:002009-09-09T04:37:52.531-04:00What's a limousine liberal? How many real lib...What's a limousine liberal? How many real liberals who ride in limousines do you suppose there are in the US? 100? 200?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-82310248077947103562009-09-09T04:29:01.370-04:002009-09-09T04:29:01.370-04:00In totally unrelated news: Pat Buchanan publicly ...In totally unrelated news: Pat Buchanan publicly <a href="http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068" rel="nofollow">sympathizes with Hitler.</a> This is, of course, totally irrelevant to anything else in the universe.<br /><br />"Of course, one could ask why Israel and not the Arabs is somehow responsible for curing a Jewish and Arab refugee problem Blah Blah Woof Woof?<br /><br />Rob @ JoshauPundit"<br /><br />Because the Israeli government claims it's THEIR territory now, maybe? You can't expect the Evol Mooslims to fix a problem in territory that ain't theirs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-84471432118339393042009-09-09T00:41:55.358-04:002009-09-09T00:41:55.358-04:00IV. Salvation
"Salvation involves the redemp...IV. Salvation<br /><br />"Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, justification, sanctification, and glorification. There is no salvation apart from personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord."<br /><br />That is a cut and paste from the website of the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant body in the US with over 16 million members.<br /><br />That, Freedom Fighter, is a lot of "whack jobs".<br /><br />(Who is "dissing" who here?)<br /><br />The fact that you use terms like "whack jobs" and "Leftard Jews" only reinforces my point. Because certain sincerely held religious beliefs don't overlay seemlessly with one or another Political agenda, we are required to write off such sincerly held beliefs as some kind of lunacy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-10858402181944979992009-09-08T23:50:07.784-04:002009-09-08T23:50:07.784-04:00Sarah Palin is about as crazed an evangelical as o...Sarah Palin is about as crazed an evangelical as one could want to find (married to a secessionist yet) and the GOP put her in line to be president. The looney evangical right is a dangerous and important part of the GOP. I don't want a person who has been ceremoniously protected from witchcraft as president. You accusations of liberal demonization of the right rings hollow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-15360790709859259002009-09-08T21:43:19.887-04:002009-09-08T21:43:19.887-04:00Whatever. I don't see too many molecular biolo...Whatever. I don't see too many molecular biology grad programs out in the sticks, so I will remain a city dweller.<br /><br />Is that wrong? Should I abandon my intellectual pursuits to better fit your mold of a "real American"? Do you deny that virtually all of the technological progress we've seen over the past century was driven by city dwellers, or do you just not view said progress as particularly important? Because I assure you, we city dwellers can appreciate the merits of sitting on your porch, strumming your guitar and watching the sun set.<br /><br />It's just not what drives us. (By the way, if you go to get a tumor removed, do you distrust your sissy-nancy-pants surgeon? Because I guarantee you he spent at least 15 years in a city.)Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08962290643747011937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-5083753924678933722009-09-08T20:03:05.963-04:002009-09-08T20:03:05.963-04:00FF: "Unlike you, Lesly, I vote my interests, ...FF: "Unlike you, Lesly, I vote my interests, thank you very much."<br /><br />Yeah, yeah. And minorities who don't predominantly vote for Republicans aren't voting their interests, either. I've heard this shtick before. <br /><br />There are a few convenient exceptions to this rule, of course. Take Cubans, for example. They're not a stupid voting bloc, except for the odd duck like yours truly. Hope you're not surprised. Jews of the "Leftard" political persuasion don't have a monopoly on self-hate.Leslynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-10432486006026456472009-09-08T18:40:27.105-04:002009-09-08T18:40:27.105-04:00'Plantation Jew'
I love that...considerin...'Plantation Jew'<br /><br />I love that...considering the openly anti-Semitic figures the Democrats embrace, I think the term 'Stockholm Syndrome' is an apt one when we're talking about most Jews on the Left. <br /><br />Unlike you, Lesly, I vote my interests, thank you very much. And yes for the record I think anyone who actively wants to restrict where Jews may live simply because they're Jews qualifies as something of an anti-Semite.<br /><br />And oh,Inconstant Reader...you really need to do some research about the so-called Palestinian Demographic bomb.<a href="http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2009/04/exposing-palestinians-phony.html" rel="nofollow">It's a myth.</a><br /><br />Considering the attitude of the 'Palestinians', the usual claptrap about a two-state solution is simply a recipe for a lot more dead Jewish civilians. <br /><br />Of course, one could ask why Israel and not the Arabs is somehow responsible for curing a Jewish and Arab refugee problem that was caused by the surrounding Arab nations when they illegally attacked Israel in 1948 and again in 1967( Jordan attacked Israel) with massacre in mind, but that would be very politically incorrect, wouldn't it?<br /><br />Regards,<br />Rob @ JoshauPunditFreedom Fighterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13649470110087808596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-74689851455425062312009-09-08T18:23:11.234-04:002009-09-08T18:23:11.234-04:00Maybe it's just that Jews value edumacation an...Maybe it's just that Jews value edumacation and are smarter than your average conservative?Dr Zenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447633362204112316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-452012353322190342009-09-08T17:27:28.701-04:002009-09-08T17:27:28.701-04:00FF: "It's a pity some Leftard Jews aren&#...FF: "It's a pity some Leftard Jews aren't looking at the big picture as well, or I doubt they would be supporting the Left and Obama, given his associations and background. The Stockholm Syndrome ain't a pretty thing to watch, trust me on that."<br /><br />Is there such a thing as a plantation Jew? <br /><br />I know what blog to visit now when I need to figure out what American Jews want without asking American Jews for their input. I mean, if they knew what's best for them they wouldn't vote Democratic. If this sounds condescending it's completely coincidental to my larger point and that is I <3 Jews plz vote 4 mai party!!!!Leslynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-34268614489103540642009-09-08T17:26:24.669-04:002009-09-08T17:26:24.669-04:00I second most of what other liberal Jews have cont...I second most of what other liberal Jews have contributed here (not sure whether Anonymous at 4:23 is a troll or simply crazy). But there's one social justice issue that hasn't been addressed.<br /><br />The "pro-Israel" conservatives fail to understand that "pro-Israel" does not equal "pro-Likud" or "pro-Settler." I and the other Jews I know are very concerned for Israel's future, and that means we support a secure, sustainable 2-state solution (the alternatives being what? Continuing to rule millions of non-citizens who will soon outnumber the Jews? A Kahanist slaughter of the Palestinians?). The Jews at my congregation (on the Board of Trustees of which I serve) discussed the outcome of the most recent Israeli elections using words like "disaster." I know, I know -- we're all liars or dupes, and even our rabbi is an "idiot."<br /><br />I'll be friendlier to the religious Right when they stop turning out children who tell my young son he's going to Hell. And seriously, guy, you need to read <i>The Plot Against America</i>.Inconstant Readerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02511016008975645957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-50643732516906492502009-09-08T16:23:32.881-04:002009-09-08T16:23:32.881-04:00Why are the Repuglicans running so many Muslim can...Why are the Repuglicans running so many Muslim candidates this year? Repuglicans are all Catholics, Muslims and Baptists, bookburning, jew-hating fascist bigots all. The Jews, Greeks and Hindus are better served by the Democrats. Even amongst blacks, the Presbyterians are supereducated, but the Catholics fare worst!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-20812033325992059602009-09-08T15:52:02.345-04:002009-09-08T15:52:02.345-04:00Being religiously conservative makes one more like...Being religiously conservative makes one more likely to identify as a conservative Republican than being urban, as a majority of my friends in my Orthodox Jewish circle from New York and other cities (including LA) are all Republican. Pick up any religious Jewish publication-The Jewish Press, the Hamodia, the Yated Ne'eman, et al, and measure their political leanings-all to the right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-18901602692592585492009-09-08T15:12:10.104-04:002009-09-08T15:12:10.104-04:00It's like another world here. I'm afraid y...It's like another world here. I'm afraid you don't understand much. Why are Jews liberals? It's in our culture, prizing thought, and justice for all. It's in our blood, in our way of thinking things over, of seeing other perspectives, of having accommodated ourselves to societies all over the world. I have no religious training whatsoever - and I found myself stunned as an adult to discover this sentiment in the Passover seder:"When we recall these plagues, we remove a drop of wine - our symbol of joy - from our wine cups for each one, because our joy is less when we remember the sufferings of the Egyptians." A classic liberal sentiment in our traditions from thousands of years ago - we need to consider not only the sufferings of others, but even those of our enemies. That's why we identify with liberal causes, not because of Christians or Jesus. All through my youth and early adulthood, history notwithstanding, I had only benign feelings toward Christians - after all, they loved me! It is only in the last twenty-five years, with the rise of the intolerant Christian -Conservative right, that I have become horrified and afraid of what that movement might bring. Take all this for what you will from a voice from the other side - we have stopped seeing the same things, speaking the same language. I don't know who you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-2029000595629766812009-09-08T14:23:46.977-04:002009-09-08T14:23:46.977-04:00"--UPDATE 9/8: For the benefit of liberal blo..."--UPDATE 9/8: For the benefit of liberal blog readers, a relevant question: "Is 'Liberal Idiot' Redundant?"--"<br /><br />Lulz! Follow-ups: "Do you still beat your wife?", "President Bush - Great President or Greatest President?", "Michael Moore is FAT!"<br /><br />I win the debate again! Yatta!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-50446327056011306882009-09-08T14:09:52.321-04:002009-09-08T14:09:52.321-04:00Jew Podhoretz, a former leftist, now neo-con (but ...Jew Podhoretz, a former leftist, now neo-con (but he's still a leftist) wrote many articles advocating for open immigration:<br /><br />realzionistnews.com/?p=501600snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-11755072304135257562009-09-08T13:53:25.642-04:002009-09-08T13:53:25.642-04:00Aren't you a lovely human being. Let's not...Aren't you a lovely human being. Let's not forget about a majority of the neoconservative movement- lots of us Jews there (oddly enough, you've quoted one in your article- Bill Kristol, who says that he's "given up" on us). And from my observation, American Jews were one of very few demographics that shifted rightward during the Bush administration because of the need, for them, to protect Israel.<br /><br />Your proposal to move us to the heartland is something out of Phillip Roth's "The Plot Against America," which I don't expect people like you to read.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-33951617021021235032009-09-08T13:46:47.870-04:002009-09-08T13:46:47.870-04:00So, Robert, when do you propose we load up the box...So, Robert, when do you propose we load up the boxcars?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08327322384170194013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4223398383609158624.post-8150522635262163732009-09-08T13:10:13.852-04:002009-09-08T13:10:13.852-04:00Deportation to farm camps? Stalin would be proud, ...Deportation to farm camps? Stalin would be proud, Mr. McCain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com